Date: 2008-11-11 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a4lem.livejournal.com
My favourite Canadian PM, Trudeau, once said:

"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation"

I only wish one day the American government would rethink their position.

Date: 2008-11-11 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smurphy487.livejournal.com
I only wish one day the American government would rethink their position.

I want to point to the bible nitwits that there is the separation of church and state for a reason

Date: 2008-11-11 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amy-119.livejournal.com
Passed it on.

Date: 2008-11-11 05:00 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-11-11 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moondustwolf.livejournal.com
Yes. Just. . .fucking YES. And I'm a Christian. Exactly right, Mr. Olbermann. Damn fucking exactly. The feeling I get watching that reminds of the feeling I got reading this in a post about Fred Rogers (A Presbyterian minister, as well as all the rest) here:

Mister Rogers seems to have been almost exactly the same off-screen as he was onscreen. As an ordained Presbyterian minister, and a man of tremendous faith, Mister Rogers preached tolerance first. Whenever he was asked to castigate non-Christians or gays for their differing beliefs, he would instead face them and say, with sincerity, “God loves you just the way you are.” Often this provoked ire from fundamentalists.

Just the way you are. It's about love. It's so simple and that's what makes Prop 8 more disgusting.

70% of African Americans voted for Prop 8. I don't think they all hate gays or blame them for the passage for a second. But I still think every largely-black church that preached for Prop 8 should see this. The arguments against interracial marriage were the exact same being used against gay marriage. A black vote for Prop 8 is no worse than a white one, but there's a significance in that they're putting the very form of prejudice they fought against on another person, and using the same reason their oppressors did.

But there is a point in all that. 40 years ago, blacks and whites couldn't marry in many states. Today we elected our first black president. That at least gives me hope. That one day people will be judged not by their gender, how they look, or who they love, but by who they are. And that homophobia will be seen with the same disgust then that racism is today.

Date: 2008-11-11 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smurphy487.livejournal.com
I dealt with the hypocrisy of Catholic school with a theology teacher who had abortion signs up and promoted the ideas that there has to be action against those who support Roe. v. Wade (oh I would be one of them) yet would teach us that God loves us and forgives all.

This is what bothers me about religion. It's the politics. It's how man has decided what the rules are to their convenience and justify it by God as if it is a free pass. This is why I don't go to church anymore, I can't deal with the people who show up once a week to punch in a weekly faith card and then cut people off and curse in the parking lot trying to get to Dunkin Donuts.

For me, being Catholic is between me and God all the time in my way. I believe in some of the things in the church but not a lot of them.

Date: 2008-11-11 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aquatic-fishy.livejournal.com
That is everything I've wanted to scream over this past week... only put the most beautiful eloquent heart-wrenching way.

Keith Olberman most CERTAINLY rocks.

Date: 2008-11-11 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smurphy487.livejournal.com
He just says it like it is. And he is so passionate about it when he talks about it.

Date: 2008-11-11 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crazymule.livejournal.com
Taking and posting.

Date: 2008-11-11 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crazymule.livejournal.com
gah, hit submit too quickly. I think this is maybe a tad too late. If he'd spoken out a day or so before the election maybe some people would have stopped to think before voting on it, but I guess better late than never.

Date: 2008-11-11 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hughsbeautiful.livejournal.com
He's a good guy! Don't know him, but he's cool :)
Thanks for posting :)

Date: 2008-11-11 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smurphy487.livejournal.com
He's on MSNBC here in the States (a news channel like CNN).

Mom and I love him and he has extra coolness because my hometown of West Milford, NJ was on his countdown once.

He is passionate with what he talks about and that is not seen in a lot of journalism

Date: 2008-11-11 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] didifoolya28.livejournal.com
I love him. I am posting it. Thanks!!

Date: 2008-11-16 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slipkid75.livejournal.com
WOW. This man should be giving this speech all over the damn place.

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